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Zarek Kree
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Posted - 2017.06.06 22:16:03 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Endecroix wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:I've been against PLEX as implemented since the beginning.
For one reason. That was the day "cold " and "harsh" ceased to have any meaning when describing the game. Lose a ship? No problem, just buy some ISK and replace it.
It was especially noticeable as a character seller. So let me get this straight, just so I am totally clear, PLEX is bad because it negates the harshness in the game in relation to consequences and yet you ... are a character seller. So if: CCP sells Plex so a player can shortcut flying a new ship = bad Mr Epeen sells a character so someone can shortcut to flying a new ship = good So let me get this straight. Just so I'm totally clear. You like to selectively quote because if you showed the whole thing people would see the idiocy of what you are saying. Mr Epeen 
No...I think she pretty much captured the point. This is a perfect example of the adage "Where you stand is based on where you sit." In your view, PLEX negates the harshness of the game, but character sales don't...because you're a character seller.
I understand your point - that before PLEX people had to earn the necessary isk for your services in-game. But citing the importance of "harshness" as an argument for why PLEX is bad still makes no logical sense from a character seller.
Besides, hasn't this PLEX ship sailed long ago? CCP isn't going to reverse course at this point. Either get on board or don't. But whining about it seems like a waste of keyboard clicks. |
Zarek Kree
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Posted - 2017.06.07 04:32:30 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:So there you go. Like every other person playing, I'll take advantage of a **** poor mechanic. In real life I'll stick to my principles occasionally, but never in a video game. That doesn't mean I won't be vocal about my disdain for the very mechanic that has helped make me rich.
So principled hypocrisy...Okay. I can respect that. But it still doesn't change the fact that the PLEX ship sailed a long time ago and it's not coming back - primarily because most players are fine with it. I don't see the inherent evil that you insist it represents, but I absolutely see the advantages in terms of (younger) player retention. And CCP makes a little money along the way. And apparently so do you. When it's a win-win-win all around, I have trouble seeing how that adds up to a losing strategy.
I get that you don't like it because...reasons. But, so what? You're still here, so you obviously don't care about it THAT much. So why should CCP? |
Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
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Posted - 2017.06.07 18:46:00 -
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Nasar Vyron wrote:Uhh I've seen people get carriers and supers recently because they broke out the CC (FYI this is nothing totally new) but with quickly injected characters that they decided to skimp out on very important skills and need to get bailed out of bad situations they get themselves into.
First time carrier pilot because they heard it had dank wallet ticks. "How do you jump?" "I can't fit a jump portal array." ...My fit is 10 jumps away I'll just take gates.
I want a super, a cyno isn't a requirement to fly it so no point in injecting. Help! I'm tackled! Someone light a cyno for me. Or I'm not a combat super I don't need a combat refit. I'll never need that passive refit so I won't train the compensation skills either that will save me a few hundred dollars in injectors and modules.
Thankfully I haven't seen a full CC warrior titan yet to have any stories, but I'm sure they exist.
EVE has never been in this situation before to this extent. It's definitely not pay to win, but it is pay to be ******** and make your corps/alliances look bad. That is what pisses some vets off - their impatience and unwillingness to learn the most basic mechanics before getting into them.
I think your points are valid, but it's actually an argument in support of PLEX - not against. The system is self-correcting. If you inject skills and buy ships that you aren't ready for, you get smacked. EVE rewards experience far more than it does SP.
My own personal lesson in this came during my first few months in the game. I heard all these stories about how much money you could make ratting in a VNI (as a poor man's Ishtar), but I didn't have anywhere near the ship or drone skills I needed, so I bought some PLEX and skill injected what I needed. The problem was, I didn't have the first clue about how to rat safely in LS and NS. My first VNI got killed at a gate. My 2nd lasted about 30 min before a passing roam got me. You can't PLEX away inexperience and stupidity. By the time I got some experience and figured out the right way to do things, I could have trained those skills naturally. It was a waste of money.
So what's the harm? No bitter vet honor was harmed during the making of this anecdote - only my own pride. |
Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
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Posted - 2017.06.07 19:24:59 -
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Nasar Vyron wrote:@Zarek Kree - for the record I'm not fighting for or against injectors. But... I really hope you can see the difference between injecting into a VNI vs a carrier vs a super. If nothing else the several hundred dollars difference in that price tag if you CC warrior it, as well as the base knowledge expected of those flying these hulls. And how it looks upon the corp/alliance when those same people turn around and lose it due to their impatience and ignorance.
I think the difference is only one of degree. If you're too inexperienced to fly a ship that you skill injected into and die in a glorious explosion the moment you undock, how does this hurt anybody but the "CC warrior"? |
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